VideoHive Pricing Thoughts....Envato network hypocrite?

Some good and interesting points from Felt. Its exciting times for motion and web designers. Technology moving at a VERY fast pace and I don’t think anyone can predict where we’ll be in terms of the motion/web industry in 4/5 years time. Others have said it before, but Videohive and Envato in a good place to be at forefront of things to come. Hope the guys upstairs make the right calls at the right times for everyone (authors, buyers, clients of buyers) to profit from this.

EFEKT_Studio said

miseld said

graphic4444 said

many authors here are from other countries non – usa so they don’t need to sell 50+ projects to be worthwhile, many times getting 5-10 sales of a $20 project is enough to put food on the table for a week, so it’s a win win for everyone.

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I am sorry, but i disagree with this statement. That’s quite an unfair thing to say. Even if an artist may be satisfied with less income than others, the way you put it one may assume that if you have two authors, one from USA and one (as you put it) “non-usa” to create the same project, the US guy SHOULD have more sales because he NEEDS MORE SALES to “put food on the table for a week” and the non-us guy needs a much smaller number of sales for that same reason. It may be true in economical terms and for offline freelance/local kind of stuff. But NEED is not equal with DESERVE . Not in a stock market business anyway where sellers and buyers are anonymous to each others.

In my opinion the project, the work, the art matters not the place you work from. I lived a while ago on a west Pacific island and did some freelance for companies in France, US and others. As a black joke i ask: Do you think anyone ever asked me if a live on the moon so they will know i only need air out there to survive?

With all due respect, although you are right about the currency/economical/local factors but in markets like this one where you work online and try to make a living (as few of the guys here do as i noticed) your WORK it’s what matters, NOT THE PLACE you are living in.

In my opinion a client should look at the price/quality and stuff like that, not thinking that an artist needs less or more income to live so that he as a buyer SHOULD pay less just because most of the authors “don’t need to sell 50+ projects to be worthwhile…”

And i am sure you are an important buyer but you are not the only buyer and i will like to think that not every client in this marketplace has this opinion and reasons his judgment regarding price/quality based on the seller’s residence.

RobertHoisan said

EFEKT_Studio said

miseld said

graphic4444 said

many authors here are from other countries non – usa so they don’t need to sell 50+ projects to be worthwhile, many times getting 5-10 sales of a $20 project is enough to put food on the table for a week, so it’s a win win for everyone.

+1

-1

I am sorry, but i disagree with this statement. That’s quite an unfair thing to say. Even if an artist may be satisfied with less income than others, the way you put it one may assume that if you have two authors, one from USA and one (as you put it) “non-usa” to create the same project, the US guy SHOULD have more sales because he NEEDS MORE SALES to “put food on the table for a week” and the non-us guy needs a much smaller number of sales for that same reason. It may be true in economical terms and for offline freelance/local kind of stuff. But NEED is not equal with DESERVE . Not in a stock market business anyway where sellers and buyers are anonymous to each others.

In my opinion the project, the work, the art matters not the place you work from. I lived a while ago on a west Pacific island and did some freelance for companies in France, US and others. As a black joke i ask: Do you think anyone ever asked me if a live on the moon so they will know i only need air out there to survive?

With all due respect, although you are right about the currency/economical/local factors but in markets like this one where you work online and try to make a living (as few of the guys here do as i noticed) your WORK it’s what matters, NOT THE PLACE you are living in.

In my opinion a client should look at the price/quality and stuff like that, not thinking that an artist needs less or more income to live so that he as a buyer SHOULD pay less just because most of the authors “don’t need to sell 50+ projects to be worthwhile…”

And i am sure you are an important buyer but you are not the only buyer and i will like to think that not every client in this marketplace has this opinion and reasons his judgment regarding price/quality based on the seller’s residence.

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RobertHoisan said

EFEKT_Studio said

miseld said

graphic4444 said

many authors here are from other countries non – usa so they don’t need to sell 50+ projects to be worthwhile, many times getting 5-10 sales of a $20 project is enough to put food on the table for a week, so it’s a win win for everyone.

+1

-1

I am sorry, but i disagree with this statement. That’s quite an unfair thing to say. Even if an artist may be satisfied with less income than others, the way you put it one may assume that if you have two authors, one from USA and one (as you put it) “non-usa” to create the same project, the US guy SHOULD have more sales because he NEEDS MORE SALES to “put food on the table for a week” and the non-us guy needs a much smaller number of sales for that same reason. It may be true in economical terms and for offline freelance/local kind of stuff. But NEED is not equal with DESERVE . Not in a stock market business anyway where sellers and buyers are anonymous to each others.

In my opinion the project, the work, the art matters not the place you work from. I lived a while ago on a west Pacific island and did some freelance for companies in France, US and others. As a black joke i ask: Do you think anyone ever asked me if a live on the moon so they will know i only need air out there to survive?

With all due respect, although you are right about the currency/economical/local factors but in markets like this one where you work online and try to make a living (as few of the guys here do as i noticed) your WORK it’s what matters, NOT THE PLACE you are living in.

In my opinion a client should look at the price/quality and stuff like that, not thinking that an artist needs less or more income to live so that he as a buyer SHOULD pay less just because most of the authors “don’t need to sell 50+ projects to be worthwhile…”

And i am sure you are an important buyer but you are not the only buyer and i will like to think that not every client in this marketplace has this opinion and reasons his judgment regarding price/quality based on the seller’s residence.

That’s that! +1

graphic4444 said

many authors here are from other countries non – usa so they don’t need to sell 50+ projects to be worthwhile, many times getting 5-10 sales of a $20 project is enough to put food on the table for a week, so it’s a win win for everyone.

It’s a short term win / win, if you ask me.

Where Mr. US/Western Europe customer might have gone to a local designer once upon a time, now he has the option to go to a stock site which produces a similar product for a fraction of the local cost. This gives Mr. Customer a huge price advantage and some small producer somewhere else in the world earns a couple of dollars. Win / win, right?

Assuming that the cheapness of these files isn’t creating demand (which may be a mitgating factor), for each file bought like this, one local freelance job priced at 10-100 times more disappears. Ultimately some or all middle-weight homegrown freelancers will also disappear, due to work disappearing abroad. This is clearly a lose situation for people who are currently home-grown middle-weight freelancers. That’s why a lot of pros are angry with stock. The high-end freelancers working for TV / advertising will probably be fine. They might even put their prices up as the local competition disappears..

After a while, this is a lose situation for the buyer too. Soon there will be no middle end anymore. Either you buy super cheap stock, or you pay advertising prices. If a still cheaper stock turns up, or freebie templates render the current stock template market unattractive to authors, then the buyer is left with ….. advertising prices.

With all that industry going abroad, the weak currencies don’t stay weak for long. Here, the producer in one of these countries encounters his lose scenario: What was a living wage turns into pocket money.

Okay… maybe this is a bit of a doomsday scenario and I’m not going to argue the case for price-fixing, protectionism or patriotic local shopping. If you can get what you need at a cheaper price point, you’d be crazy not to. If authors are prepared to produce files at the price Videohive sets, Videohive would be crazy not to accept them. I’m simply pointing out the unforseen and potentially far-reaching consequences.

How the industry rebalances in the wake of a globalized industry is anyone’s guess. Whether (as I mentioned above) a much lower price-point really stimulates demand is a real factor, as is the potential proliferation of video media. But if there’s one rule that has always applied in this industry….. don’t bank on the status quo being the status quo for long.

-f.

Let me add this.

It really frustrates me that someone think that just because I’m from Bosnia, or similar country, I should have less sales, and I’m satisfied with fifty bucks. Well, I am living in a relatively poor country but it’s not Zimbabwe. Want to hear something amazing? Food is cheaper in States than it is in Bosnia, not to talk about technology. If you don’t believe, check it out.

EFEKT_Studio said
Let me add this. It really frustrates me that someone think that just because I’m from Bosnia, or similar country, I should have less sales, and I’m satisfied with fifty bucks. Well, I am living in a relatively poor country but it’s not Zimbabwe. Want to hear something amazing? Food is cheaper in States than it is in Bosnia, not to talk about technology. If you don’t believe, check it out.

Don’t forget for Gas (car) 50% cheaper and every car used or new is cheaper 3 times… and all of that with this…Average income in USA is $46.326 (per month $3.860)

here in Croatia 5000KN ($1000) per month

this is only statistic, but in % (percentage) every is clear:)

3dbacks said

EFEKT_Studio said
Let me add this. It really frustrates me that someone think that just because I’m from Bosnia, or similar country, I should have less sales, and I’m satisfied with fifty bucks. Well, I am living in a relatively poor country but it’s not Zimbabwe. Want to hear something amazing? Food is cheaper in States than it is in Bosnia, not to talk about technology. If you don’t believe, check it out.

Don’t forget for Gas (car) 50% cheaper and every car used or new is cheaper 3 times… and all of that with this…Average income in USA is $46.326 (per month $3.860)

here in Croatia 5000KN ($1000) per month

this is only statistic, but in % (percentage) every is clear:)

most of my money goes to gas. One liter of gas is 1,64$ or 1,125 euro.

this days my money go to American citizens I made designs for some USA comp., but now because Croatia don’t have Tax treaty with USA last month , my check should be 500$ I have 149$ IRS USA took from my income 30% every month, and retrospectively for year 2010 wonderful, be happy if you live in USA , my income goes to you_)

most of my money goes to gas. One liter of gas is 1,64$ or 1,125 euro.

Not sure this is a thread about the ‘cost of living’ ...