Looca saidIf this is going for print. That’s kinda of wrong. It depends on the font and size. Anything really 24.5pt and above over colored backgrounds needs to be a rich black. See your printer if they have any specific call outs for rich black. Personally I use 60c, 40m, 30y, 100k.
Also, overprinting text over colored backgrounds is recommended.
id tent to disagree in some cases as large areas of rich black overprinting on colour will cause jobs to take longer drying and cause problems for the printers and finishers, my personal preference for rich black is 50c, 100k but suppose its personal preference, my printers have never made it mandatory to supply jobs in rich black.
over is also for small text as the printers have problems registering the plates when the, text gets smaller causing white edges, large bold text doesnt really need to be overprinted if the printer is good enough toregister the plates accurately
So much for my proof reading skills today lol. I meant I use a 40c, 30m, 20y, 100k for my rich blacks. Which is 190% ink density. As for the “problems” you mention it usually is no big deal, when you start getting close to 300% density is where you run into drying problems and such along with paper stock etc… Small type should always overprint which is why I said most type fonts 24pt above should be a rich black.
You really should always strive for rich blacks when applicable because it produces a better finished product and possibly help the printer depending on their ripping system and such.
I could go on for days and technical details about printing if anyone actually cared. Lol
Also, overprinting text over colored backgrounds is recommended.
If this is going for print. That’s kinda of wrong. It depends on the font and size. Anything really 24.5pt and above over colored backgrounds needs to be a rich black. See your printer if they have any specific call outs for rich black. Personally I use 60c, 40m, 30y, 100k.
Is this for your designs our something you would actually order? I see you are in Costa Rica and just a quick check on shipping from the US is something like $140. Then you got the cost of diecutting which is even more expensive than traditional cards. I’d email PrintPlace, 48hourprint, PSPrint, Printingforless, 4over4, all those are .com’s for more info, you would prolly even have to have a custom diecut made if it’s not something they have which prolly even involves a set up fee.
I do agree custom diecut cards look amazing especially done with metallics, spot uv and the likes.
F.Y.I., you will need to export the file(s) as idml for older versions of InDesign.
@survivor and joebanana there is no way that is the printers fault. If anything it’s the printers fault for telling the customer that there is a chance (good one albeit) that the border may be uneven and completely gone on some cards. And for what cutting variances may come to as long as they disclose it to you and you are away if it’s in their tolerances then you really can’t complain. Now if they said sure no problem we can do that, and it will be just like it looks, then it’s their fault. If you want to do a border like that it has to be more than just the 6px that you supplied to be sure unless you want to pay for the extra care in cutting stage.
As quickandeasy says you get what your pay for, but there are good printers out there, just need to look for them.
I’d switch that to gmail and do like beatlover says and add filters.
What size? 4/C both sides? How many? Shoot me a message and I can help you out.
I’d still like to see how you manage spot inks in photoshop.
What would you like to know?
My opinion is whatever’s designed in Photoshop using typography is probably not going to be a well thought project in terms of layout and design rules, grids etc. Photoshop is simply not made for that. But if the client wants to edit their business card in PS and go to an offset printing house and get the weird looks, that’s their right…
You sound SO oldschool.
Get out of your bubble mate, you got it all wrong.
I print biz cards with many effects and they come out perfectly.And TBH , simple vector biz card style just won’t sell that good and IMO doesn’t catch the eye at all.
It’s not really an “old school” thing to be professional, just the reality of printing in a certain environment. I don’t know if you went to a design school or not, but in the professional world : effects = superficial = lack of pure creativity.
Photoshop can’t handle PMS . Which for business cards and stationnery a big problem, especially if you print pantones on creative paper stocks.
If you design something in Photoshop, when you go to the printer, they’ll raster your work, the end result is CMYK printing, not spot colors. Which means much lower quality. Again, if you have the eye for that kind of detail, the difference is huge.
But I totally understand the marketplace now, thanks for all the comments. Basicly: The client will buy catchy graphics and colors on the marketplace and can only judge by watching the preview images, hence the huge amount of effects used on the previews, even if they don’t end up on prints. Looks good on screen and that’s what matters, probably not when offset printed in PMS but it doesn’t matter because the client doesn’t care or know what it is.
The difference I see between working with clients or selling on the marketplace is that working with clients, you usually follow the project from start to finish, you can’t BS them with monitor quality images full of effects. They want to see the real thing, the quality (at least my clients does). On the marketplace it’s different since the clients buys an almost ready to print item for a few $ and he’s then responsible for what happens next when he goes to the printer.It’s a matter of thought and I wonder which direction I should go, as far as creating new material for the marketplace. Let’s share ideas
I totally disagree with you. As someone who has been doing g.d/d.t.p 16+ years for a printing company you sound ignorant of the printing world. Photoshop can’t handle PMS ? I print all types of psd files both 4/c and up to 8/c (4/c process + 4 spot colors) with no problem. We’ve even done spot pms on top of the 4/c process. I even have a client that supplies native .psd files both 4/c and spot and they match the G7 Certified proofs they supply.
So please don’t say that it can be done, when in reality it can be done.
As for the thread topic I feel that the reason photoshop is the most used app is because most people are somewhat familiar with it by one means or another. (MS Paint, etc…) and that it isn’t that hard to figure out the basics of it. I agree with you on Illu and Indesign for type and the rest and wish more authors would use it but eh what can you do.